tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post5950696643778181683..comments2024-03-21T05:26:37.436-04:00Comments on Hausdorff's Bible Blog: Revelation 2: Worship God or DieHausdorffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-48191074234324085952013-01-12T10:35:52.827-05:002013-01-12T10:35:52.827-05:00Thanks for the references :)Thanks for the references :)Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-48898005517606360862013-01-11T10:58:25.193-05:002013-01-11T10:58:25.193-05:00In reference to Revelation, it's been too long...In reference to Revelation, it's been too long since I have looked it over to say for sure that "this" or "that" is a reference to idolatry and other sins. Although, I may be able to point it out a little as I read your posts. :-)<br /><br />However, in the OT, it's fairly explicit. Check out some of these references:<br />Psalm 106:34-38<br />Isaiah 1:21<br />*Isaiah 57:3-13<br />Jeremiah 2:18-20<br />*Jeremiah 3:1-6<br /><br />There are many, many more. Check out just the *'ed ones if you are short on time.TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-70857200511659761282013-01-10T20:34:53.432-05:002013-01-10T20:34:53.432-05:00"You ain't seen nothin' yet!"
S..."You ain't seen nothin' yet!"<br /><br />Should be fun :) Ideally I will be looking at more than just 1 Christian commentary for this book, I've been focusing on just one due to time reasons, but when things get really bizarre I will branch out as much as I can.<br /><br />Regarding the sexuality stuff, it represents seeking godless nations or idolatry at times? Are there hints in the text that it means that? If so what kinds of things, if not how do you know that?<br /><br />The other thing with these types of things is JKerber's point. I'm not sure I would be able to tell the difference between an honest interpretation of what the original authors potentially really meant, and an interpretation invented by an apologist for their own convenience. Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-58589374992514376812013-01-10T14:17:48.633-05:002013-01-10T14:17:48.633-05:00With how often apologists dishonestly take old tes...With how often apologists dishonestly take old testament prrophecies out of context to fit the new testament, its hard to take any interpretation seriously with something so obtuse. That's my opinion anyway.JKerberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06334114886976784914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-90891397820642215532013-01-10T13:35:14.179-05:002013-01-10T13:35:14.179-05:00That's a good point, Sheldon. Thanks to that ...That's a good point, <b>Sheldon</b>. Thanks to that popular series, there are probably more Christians familiar with Revelation than what I was thinking.TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-39971197906547499372013-01-10T06:22:39.058-05:002013-01-10T06:22:39.058-05:00TWF, it is true that most Christians skip over Rev...TWF, it is true that most Christians skip over Revelation, but the Left Behind series did ignite some interest again in the fundamentalist world about it.<br /><br />Prophecy related Bible studies and interpretations of Revelation, have become a sport among some fundamentalist circles, but the majority of them usually try to leave it alone.Sheldon Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17660822618786253558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-66423200320360620042013-01-09T20:59:03.598-05:002013-01-09T20:59:03.598-05:00Oh, one more thing... sexual amorality.
In many ...Oh, one more thing... sexual amorality.<br /><br />In many of the books of the prophets, the Jewish nation is metaphorically portrayed as a promiscuous woman who whores herself out. In some cases the illicit affair is seeking support from other nations as opposed to from God. In others, it represents idolatry. So while the Epistles were literally speaking of sins of sexuality, don't be surprised if Revelation intends a more metaphorical sense of the vernacular.TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-77941129389919598402013-01-09T20:32:50.026-05:002013-01-09T20:32:50.026-05:00You think it's hard now? You ain't seen n...You think it's hard now? You ain't seen nothin' yet! ;-) It's so esoteric that I am not surprised most Christians avoid reading it, or simply skim it over as a completionist's task. Some of the visual metaphor is relatively easy to understand, but much of it is quite an enigma to know with any kind of certainty. There are many diverse interpretations out there because of that.TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-41240934093493902922013-01-09T20:05:08.419-05:002013-01-09T20:05:08.419-05:00Yeah, I think very few people have read much of th...Yeah, I think very few people have read much of the bible at all.Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-57038559186887318052013-01-09T20:03:44.755-05:002013-01-09T20:03:44.755-05:00now that you mention it, I remember hearing a long...now that you mention it, I remember hearing a long time ago that God's real name wasn't in the bible. Interesting.<br /><br />So killing her children is actually talking about killing her followers? Well at least if that is the case, it is for something they actually did instead of something their parents did.<br /><br />It's definitely hard to read this book when nothing means what it says :)Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-10057981728386734902013-01-09T17:36:08.176-05:002013-01-09T17:36:08.176-05:00The Bible is kind of split personality like this.
...The Bible is kind of split personality like this.<br /><br />First you have the vengeful god of the Old Testament, then Jesus tries to portray a loving, and somewhat sensible god in the Gospels, then you come back to the vengeful god again in Revelation, in John's portrayal of God.<br /><br />Many people only read the Gospels, and think that the New Testament portrays a loving merciful god, apparently most of those people haven't read Revelation at all.Sheldon Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17660822618786253558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-62599925655803059542013-01-09T14:32:10.035-05:002013-01-09T14:32:10.035-05:00Hausdorff, I'm not sure, but I think that name...<b>Hausdorff</b>, I'm not sure, but I think that name on the white rock is actually supposed to be the <i>real</i> name of God. There is some historical thought/superstition that names had power, so if you knew someone's name, you had (at least some) power over them, like you could properly curse them. ;-) God had several names in the Bible, but, if I am not mistaken, His true, true name was never given, but those who were saved would be able to call God by that real name. That is going off some very fuzzy memory, so take it as such.<br /><br />As for the killing of Jezebel's children, I think this is meant to be her "spiritual" children, not her literal ones; essentially those who follow her. In fact, the name Jezebel is likely a metaphor for someone else, and that metaphor is based off of 1 King 18.<br /><br />And, yeah, being killed with death is horrible. I prefer to be killed with chocolate. :-)TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.com