tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post7803757670980403257..comments2024-03-21T05:26:37.436-04:00Comments on Hausdorff's Bible Blog: Is the Earth Fine Tuned for Life?Hausdorffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-14940555323237029602013-01-22T09:35:50.358-05:002013-01-22T09:35:50.358-05:00volume estimation sounds like a reasonable guess f...volume estimation sounds like a reasonable guess for how they would do itHausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-48147985463963678382013-01-21T22:32:51.173-05:002013-01-21T22:32:51.173-05:00My guess is volumetric estimation, but it could ha...My guess is volumetric estimation, but it could have been done in reverse. In other words, we know approximately how many stars there are and what the average size grain of sand is. Multiply the two, and if the result would cover the earth ten feet deep, then you know there are more stars. :-)<br /><br />I got that info from some sort of consolidated random fact blurb, but there were no noted sources. :-(TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-91525843626918676102013-01-21T16:33:25.937-05:002013-01-21T16:33:25.937-05:00I like that, I like it a lot :)
I wonder how some...I like that, I like it a lot :)<br /><br />I wonder how someone would go about figuring out how many grains of sand there are on the earth.Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-50769638514020121572013-01-20T22:53:15.548-05:002013-01-20T22:53:15.548-05:00I just heard something the other day that ties int...I just heard something the other day that ties into this for consideration:<br /><br />There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on the earth.<br /><br />Chance is a wonderful thing! :-)TWFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06016277303703254572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-10879054894432306892013-01-20T11:17:37.874-05:002013-01-20T11:17:37.874-05:00yeah, those probability arguments always bug me a ...yeah, those probability arguments always bug me a little bit, because the odds that they come up with usually have no real basis in reality. The great thing about arguing against the fine tuning of the earth, even if they try to say that the odds against the earth being perfect for life are astronomical, we can grant them that assumption and still win based on the number of stars/planets out there. If the odds of any given star producing life is 1 in 200 billion, since there are over 200 billion stars in our galaxy it is not so remarkable that it happened somewhere. And given that there are countless galaxies out there at some point it just becomes inevitable that it will happen somewhere.Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-91084735814806749292013-01-20T04:36:36.952-05:002013-01-20T04:36:36.952-05:00Sometimes the argument that the earth is fine tune...Sometimes the argument that the earth is fine tuned for life is couched in probabilities, the gist of which is that it is so improbable the earth would be "just so" that there must be some intelligence that designed it so. Of course, the probability of something happening that has already happened once is 1. Consequently, the argument falls apart due to its ignorance of mathematics.Paul Sunstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02462598852553696040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-29472887390590639492013-01-19T15:01:36.022-05:002013-01-19T15:01:36.022-05:00Yeah, that is definitely the idea they are trying ...Yeah, that is definitely the idea they are trying to push forward. I would argue that with all the stars in the sky they are just being shortsighted.<br /><br />And yeah, the drake equation is pretty cool. The numbers we stick into those variables are obviously pretty wild guesses, but it is neat to think that we can refine them over the years and get better estimates as time goes on.Hausdorffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01690401058367596952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-41639466783664051772013-01-19T14:31:15.931-05:002013-01-19T14:31:15.931-05:00Sheldon: I'd have to also agree. When you use ...Sheldon: I'd have to also agree. When you use the term "fine tuned" that begs the question of a divine creator. Maybe I'm being picky, but I think a more fair way to pose a question like that is "Is our universe fine tuned <i>OR</i> (as you stated) were the conditions just right for it to happen?"<br /><br />Hausdorff: You probably are familiar with the Drake equation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation This might be a good reference for future arguments.JKerberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06334114886976784914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5442584566219442310.post-90381556355035140852013-01-19T11:00:09.392-05:002013-01-19T11:00:09.392-05:00Usually people making that argument are creationis...Usually people making that argument are creationists. <br /><br />They that the "ideal" conditions for life on Earth are a sign that god created this world "just for us"Sheldon Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17660822618786253558noreply@blogger.com